I am not sure there is a solution, at least not one that the government would come up with. IMHO, it would be best remedied if persons could stop looking at the color or sex of an individual and base everything
on their merits but, in practice, I am not sure humans are capable of doing so.

Absolutely right, but I agree that it's likely not possible. What isn't right is to have people/taxpayers pay money to people who are
generations removed from anybody who was mistreated. "Correcting" a
wrong by committing another wrong is not the way.

Part of me feels that way, that they are generations removed. However,
there is some belief in this country that the "wrongs" continued far beyond
the Civil War. I would agree that they certainly continued until at least
the Civil Rights Era of the 1960s.

What has happened since then, until recently, I would place at the feet of
our politicians (Democrats, too) who've spent their time benefiting from
having a "downtrodden" class to manipulate... a class you cannot manipulate
if they do not remain downtrodden.

Recently, it seems that pre-1960s attitudes are being brought back into the mainstream. Not sure what has brought that on but it does need to stop.


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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Dumas Walker to MRO on Sun Jun 08 2025 10:27 am

One of us has spent most of their life working for the government and has a pretty good knowledge of how things work, and how they (don't) work if someone tries to break them.

i've worked for and WITH the govt and I have family members who worked for the govt their entire lives.

The other one apparently gets their info from some sort of media, maybe social, and maybe straight from the accounts of Trump and Musk.

So I think the more pertinent question is how do *you* know?

Which one is which? are you saying that's me?
I dont pay attention to trump or elon musk.

nice try simp
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Dumas Walker wrote to GAMGEE <=-

I am not sure there is a solution, at least not one that the government would come up with. IMHO, it would be best remedied if persons could stop looking at the color or sex of an individual and base everything on their merits but, in practice, I am not sure humans are capable of doing so.

Absolutely right, but I agree that it's likely not possible. What isn't right is to have people/taxpayers pay money to people who are
generations removed from anybody who was mistreated. "Correcting" a
wrong by committing another wrong is not the way.

Part of me feels that way, that they are generations removed. However, there is some belief in this country that the "wrongs" continued far beyond the Civil War. I would agree that they certainly continued
until at least the Civil Rights Era of the 1960s.

Yes, it's true that discrimination continued long after the Civil War,
and to some extent is still happening today. But again it's a problem
of who is to blame, and how to "correct" it. Not something easy to
answer or solve.

What has happened since then, until recently, I would place at the feet
of our politicians (Democrats, too) who've spent their time benefiting from having a "downtrodden" class to manipulate... a class you cannot manipulate if they do not remain downtrodden.

100% correct. It's like many of the bad things going on today... This,
wars, tradewars, cold wars, more. There are always a small group of
people who benefit tremendously from these things, and although they say otherwise, they WANT them to continue. Race relations (as you said
above), and the RUS/UKR war are great examples. Lots of money being
made by a few on both of these issues, and those people will not *LET*
the issues end.

Recently, it seems that pre-1960s attitudes are being brought back into the mainstream. Not sure what has brought that on but it does need to stop.

I'm not so sure that I'm seeing this happen, at least around here.



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Re: Re: Most memorable modern
By: Dumas Walker to GAMGEE on Sat Jun 07 2025 08:33 am

They have also considered renaming a military base or two.

Already happened here. Ft. Lee in Petersburg VA, 30 miles south of me has a new name as does Ft. A.P. Hill 20 miles north of me.

All paid for with Taxpayer money I'm sure... more waste.

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