The 2nd amendment shall not be infringed, and a restriction based solely on identity sound like an infringement to me...

I've genuinely NEVER heard a good argument for this.

What about trans people makes them inherently unfit to own a firearm?

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Logic44 wrote to All <=-

What about trans people makes them inherently unfit to own a firearm?

For safety reasons, we don't allow mentally people who have a gun.

All trans people are mentally ill.


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Logic44 wrote to All <=-

The 2nd amendment shall not be infringed, and a restriction based
solely on identity sound like an infringement to me...

I've genuinely NEVER heard a good argument for this.

What about trans people makes them inherently unfit to own a firearm?

Who/what/where says they can't?



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Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: Dr. What to Logic44 on Fri Jul 17 2026 07:45:00

For safety reasons, we don't allow mentally people who have a gun.

All trans people are mentally ill.

Based on what? Gender dysphoria?
This is on a similar level to not letting someone have a gun just because they have autism or ADHD, it has no impact on their ability to effectively operate
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Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: Dr. What to Logic44 on Fri Jul 17 2026 07:45:00

For safety reasons, we don't allow mentally people who have a gun.

All trans people are mentally ill.

Based on what? Gender dysphoria?
This is on a similar level to not letting someone have a gun just because they have autism or

ADHD, it has no impact on their ability to effectively operate

I know a trans person in their 60s who is proficient in firearms and I respect that person. However
some of the well known shooters in the trans community who have done those tragedies are under age
30, and what they did in British Columbia, Tennessee and Minnesota have held back firearm rights for
their community. Just because you were not treated well in school does not mean you have to reenact
the Jeremey music video from Pearl Jam.



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The 2nd amendment shall not be infringed, and a restriction based solely on identity sound like an infringement to me...

I've genuinely NEVER heard a good argument for this.

What about trans people makes them inherently unfit to own a firearm?

Nothing. I think its more about mental health, not sexual preference - of any person; straight, gay, bi, etc...



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All trans people are mentally ill.

While I prolly align more with your views, this is silly.



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Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: Matthew Munson to LOGIC44 on Fri Jul 17 2026 13:39:00

respect that person. However
some of the well known shooters in the trans community who have done those tragedies are under age
30, and what they did in British Columbia, Tennessee and Minnesota have held back firearm rights for
their community. Just because you were not treated well in school does not mean you have to reenact
the Jeremey music video from Pearl Jam.

There have been 3 to 5 trans shooters. Only 3 to 5 out of thousands of incidents, this type of rhetoric is straight up victim blaming....


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Logic44 wrote to Dr. What <=-

All trans people are mentally ill.

Based on what? Gender dysphoria?

Based on the idea that anyone who thinks they can change their gender is completely unhinged.

This is on a similar level to not letting someone have a gun just
because they have autism or ADHD, it has no impact on their ability to effectively operate or carry a firearm without being a danger to others
or themselves.

Your strawman is very lame.


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paulie420 wrote to Logic44 <=-

What about trans people makes them inherently unfit to own a firearm?

Nothing. I think its more about mental health, not sexual preference -
of any person; straight, gay, bi, etc...

The root of it probably is in the drugs that a trans person takes to "transition". Many states already have laws on the books prohibiting drug users from owning firearms.


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Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: Dr. What to Logic44 on Sat Jul 18 2026 08:39:00

Based on the idea that anyone who thinks they can change their gender is completely unhinged.

Gender and sex are 2 different things, you're conflating the two.

Your strawman is very lame.

Name ONE way being trans affects your ability to safely and effectively operate a firearm.

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Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: Dr. What to paulie420 on Sat Jul 18 2026 08:54:00

The root of it probably is in the drugs that a trans person takes to "transition". Many states already have laws on the books prohibiting drug users from owning firearms.

I don't think there are any states that prohibit firearm ownership based on prescription medication.

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Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: paulie420 to Dr. What on Fri Jul 17 2026 06:19 pm

All trans people are mentally ill.

While I prolly align more with your views, this is silly.

How is it silly? Because it's not politically correct?

people with gender identity disorder are going through a lot and deserve help. The suicide rate is high and they are in constant turmoil.

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Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: Dr. What to paulie420 on Sat Jul 18 2026 08:54 am

paulie420 wrote to Logic44 <=-

What about trans people makes them inherently unfit to own a firearm?

Nothing. I think its more about mental health, not sexual preference - of any person; straight, gay, bi, etc...

The root of it probably is in the drugs that a trans person takes to "transition". Many states already have laws on the books prohibiting drug users from owning firearms.

... I'll have what the gentleman on the floor is having.

gender identity disorder is mental illness. they shouldn't have access to Firearms.

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All trans people are mentally ill.

While I prolly align more with your views, this is silly.

How is it silly? Because it's not politically correct?

Because blanket condemning any group is silly. While I wouldn't choose trans anything for my life, there are wonderful trans people and mentally ill trans people - just like theres wonderful white folks and terrible, wonderful men and terrible, etc etc.



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Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: paulie420 to MRO on Sat Jul 18 2026 06:12 pm

All trans people are mentally ill.

While I prolly align more with your views, this is silly.

How is it silly? Because it's not politically correct?

Because blanket condemning any group is silly. While I wouldn't choose trans anything for my life, there are wonderful trans people and mentally ill trans > people - just like theres wonderful white folks and terrible, wonderful men
and terrible, etc etc.

it's not silly if it's accurate. if you think you are a gender you are not, that's just crazy. Crazy people should not have weapons.

Being white is not the same as being someone who thinks they are a gender they Are not.

They have a suicide rate close to 50%. Does that seem normal to you?

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Being white is not the same as being someone who thinks they are a
gender they Are not.

I think there is the issue where we should be tactful, but you can still be critical at the same time. Gender non conforming people have existed throughout history.

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All trans people are mentally ill.

While I prolly align more with your views, this is silly.

How is it silly? Because it's not politically correct?

Because blanket condemning any group is silly. While I wouldn't choose t anything for my life, there are wonderful trans people and mentally ill

people - just like theres wonderful white folks and terrible, wonderfu

and terrible, etc etc.

it's not silly if it's accurate. if you think you are a gender you are not, that's just crazy. Crazy people should not have weapons.

Being white is not the same as being someone who thinks they are a
gender they Are not.
They have a suicide rate close to 50%. Does that seem normal to you?

OMG - I can't belive I'm defending this community - but I think your condemning of ANY community with blanket BS is... BS.



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Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: paulie420 to MRO on Sat Jul 18 2026 06:12 pm

How is it silly? Because it's not politically correct?

Because blanket condemning any group is silly. While I wouldn't choose trans anything for my life, there are wonderful trans people and mentally ill trans people - just like theres wonderful white folks and terrible, wonderful men and terrible, etc etc.

I had to train a trans person a few years back, He went by a female name, One day he walked up to me and said he expected me to use his proper pro-nouns.
I said "yes sir".
He had fathered children, he was 6'3" with a huge adams apple.
He's clearly a man, I would'nt play into his mental game.

When covid hit he found another job, He had one of the bosses scared to death because he wanted to be addressed by she/her and the boss was scared to even talk to him out of fear he might use male pronouns.

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Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: paulie420 to MRO on Sat Jul 18 2026 09:02 pm

gender they Are not.
They have a suicide rate close to 50%. Does that seem normal to you?

OMG - I can't belive I'm defending this community - but I think your

All trans people are mentally ill.

While I prolly align more with your views, this is silly.

How is it silly? Because it's not politically correct?

Because blanket condemning any group is silly. While I wouldn't choose > MR> > > MR> > t anything for my life, there are wonderful trans people and
mentally
ill

people - just like theres wonderful white folks and terrible, wonderfu

and terrible, etc etc.

it's not silly if it's accurate. if you think you are a gender you

are
not, that's just crazy. Crazy people should not have weapons.

Being white is not the same as being someone who thinks they are a gender they Are not.
They have a suicide rate close to 50%. Does that seem normal to you?

OMG - I can't belive I'm defending this community - but I think your condemning of ANY community with blanket BS is... BS.

For one, i've always thought of you as one of the dumbest BBS 'community' members I've encountered. Not only are you ignorant, but you are stupid.

Go back to sucking the cocks of your krad buddies with their 10 page ansi Scrollers.

i've provided FACTS on this subject and i've talked about this quite a bit in The past.

For the other people who do not have shit for brains:

I care about these poor people and I want them to get help. They are in constant turmoil and what they go through is probably hell on earth. Nobody can imagine what they are going through.

This is indicative by their high suicide rate and other behaviors.

We need to stop overlooking their problems and get them help. Mental health needs to become a priority in our society.

Paulie, go back to getting high and licking windows. Adults are talking here. Maybe stick to your circle jerks on angoranet or whatever it's called.


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Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: MRO to paulie420 on Sat Jul 18 2026 22:13:00

They have a suicide rate close to 50%. Does that seem normal to you?

Said by the cause of the 41%, btw...

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Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: MRO to Dr. What on Sat Jul 18 2026 18:28:09

gender identity disorder is mental illness. they shouldn't have access to Firearms.

What about a trans person makes them unfit to safely operate a firearm?
I still haven't gotten an answer to this, probably because y'all don't have one.
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Logic44 wrote to Dr. What <=-

Based on the idea that anyone who thinks they can change their gender is completely unhinged.

Gender and sex are 2 different things, you're conflating the two.

No. You are miseducated and parroting a Narrative that you don't understand.

Name ONE way being trans affects your ability to safely and effectively operate a firearm.

Oh, they can effectively operate a firearm - as they have done in several shootings.

Safety, on the other hand.... Being mentally ill does make people do things that put other people's safety at risk.


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Logic44 wrote to Dr. What <=-

I don't think there are any states that prohibit firearm ownership
based on prescription medication.

Then you haven't looked. Most states have laws that curtail your rights if you are on certain medications - legally or not.


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paulie420 wrote to MRO <=-

Because blanket condemning any group is silly.

Are you going to condemn all the Leftoids who call all white people White Supremacists?

While I wouldn't choose
trans anything for my life, there are wonderful trans people and
mentally ill trans people - just like theres wonderful white folks and terrible, wonderful men and terrible, etc etc.

You need to understand the concept of "per capita".


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MRO wrote to paulie420 <=-

people with gender identity disorder are going through a lot and
deserve help. The suicide rate is high and they are in constant
turmoil.

Absolutely right. The Left likes to assume that everyone is like them. So that if you don't "affirm" someone's mistakes, you must "hate" them.

Trans people are mentally ill and in pain. They need help and I think society as a whole would like to do that, but help is blocked by several groups.

1. The medical industry. They like having people who are constantly on meds and need treatment.
2. The people who created the Trans people. The last thing they want is a shrink finding out that the person's elementary school Trans-ed them.
3. The Left, who use trans people as bots to wind up and do bad things. It turns out that being mentally ill makes them more suseptable to control.

And probably more that I'm not seeing right now.


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Utopian Galt wrote to MRO <=-

I think there is the issue where we should be tactful, but you can
still be critical at the same time. Gender non conforming people have existed throughout history.

Not to the extent that they exist today.


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Outlaw wrote to paulie420 <=-

I had to train a trans person a few years back, He went by a female
name, One day he walked up to me and said he expected me to use his
proper pro-nouns.
I said "yes sir".
He had fathered children, he was 6'3" with a huge adams apple.
He's clearly a man, I would'nt play into his mental game.

I usually say "I have no legal or ethical obligation to participate in YOUR delusion."


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Logic44 wrote to MRO <=-

What about a trans person makes them unfit to safely operate a firearm?
I still haven't gotten an answer to this, probably because y'all don't have one.

You have gotten an answer. Several times now.

But the answers violate your false Narrative, so you ignore them.


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Matthew Munson wrote to LOGIC44 <=-

trans community who have done those tragedies are under age 30, and
what they did in British Columbia, Tennessee and Minnesota have held
back firearm rights for their community. Just because you were not
treated well in school does not mean you have to reenact the Jeremey
music video from Pearl Jam.

FactCheck.org reported that the Gun Violence Archive identified 5 mass shootings by transgender or nonbinary individuals from Jan. 1, 2013
through Sept. 15, 2025, representing less than 0.1% of mass shootings in
that dataset.




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paulie420 wrote to Logic44 <=-

Nothing. I think its more about mental health, not sexual preference -
of any person; straight, gay, bi, etc...

But the fallacy is making the assumption that being transgender is a
mental illness, which isn't true unless you try to define it as such.
One would imaging the sense of wellness someone who felt gender
dysphoria would have understanding it and taking steps towards becoming
their intended gender.

It's not hard to imagine reactionary groups trying to use non-traditional
gender choice and sexual preference to define mental illness in an
attempt to limit people's rights. First firearms, then what?



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Logic44 wrote to Dr. What <=-

I don't think there are any states that prohibit firearm ownership
based on prescription medication.

How many mass shooters were taking SSRIs?



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Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: MRO to paulie420 on Sun Jul 19 2026 01:11:53

For one, i've always thought of you as one of the dumbest BBS 'community' members I've encountered. Not only are you ignorant, but you are stupid.

Go back to sucking the cocks of your krad buddies with their 10 page ansi Scrollers.

i've provided FACTS on this subject and i've talked about this quite a bit in The past.

For the other people who do not have shit for brains:

I care about these poor people and I want them to get help. They are in constant turmoil and what they go through is probably hell on earth. Nobody can imagine what they are going through.

This is indicative by their high suicide rate and other behaviors.

We need to stop overlooking their problems and get them help. Mental health needs to become a priority in our society.

We DON'T need your help lol
We need you to give us our healthcare back and leave us tf alone.
If you REALLY cared about mental health, you'd follow what's backed by evidence:
Gender affirming care.

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Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: Dr. What to Logic44 on Sun Jul 19 2026 09:57 am

What about a trans person makes them unfit to safely operate a firearm? I
still haven't gotten an answer to this, probably because y'all don't have
one.

You have gotten an answer. Several times now.

But the answers violate your false Narrative, so you ignore them.

He only considers it an answer, if it goes along with his philosophy.


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For one, i've always thought of you as one of the dumbest BBS 'community' members I've encountered. Not only are you ignorant, but you are
stupid.

Paulie, go back to getting high and licking windows. Adults are talking here. Maybe stick to your circle jerks on angoranet or whatever it's called.

:P Love being on the end of one of your tirades again... always fun on a random Sunday morning.



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Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: Dr. What to Logic44 on Sun Jul 19 2026 09:41:00

No. You are miseducated and parroting a Narrative that you don't understand.

Complete projection, I understand it much more than you.

Oh, they can effectively operate a firearm - as they have done in several shootings.
Safety, on the other hand.... Being mentally ill does make people do things that put other people's safety at risk.

Being trans isn't mental illness, and the illness known as gender dysphoria is treated via gender affirming care.


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Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: Dr. What to Logic44 on Sun Jul 19 2026 09:57:00

You have gotten an answer. Several times now.

But the answers violate your false Narrative, so you ignore them.

No, I ignore them because they make zero sense, as none of the reasons listed are inherent to being trans.
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Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: Outlaw to Dr. What on Sat Jul 18 2026 09:39:02

He only considers it an answer, if it goes along with his philosophy.

Again, it's because the answers given were not inherent to being trans, and therefore not a justification for it.

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Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: paulie420 to MRO on Sun Jul 19 2026 10:49 am

here. Maybe stick to your circle jerks on angoranet or whatever it's called.

:P Love being on the end of one of your tirades again... always fun on a random Sunday morning.

Again? You're giving yourself too much credit, lame brain.

Glad you got the attention you wanted.

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Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: poindexter FORTRAN to paulie420 on Sun Jul 19 2026 08:17 am

paulie420 wrote to Logic44 <=-

Nothing. I think its more about mental health, not sexual preference - of any person; straight, gay, bi, etc...

But the fallacy is making the assumption that being transgender is a
mental illness, which isn't true unless you try to define it as such.
One would imaging the sense of wellness someone who felt gender
dysphoria would have understanding it and taking steps towards becoming

The proof is in the pudding. There's one trans person without
Serious mental problems.

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Outlaw wrote to Dr. What <=-

He only considers it an answer, if it goes along with his philosophy.

About right. Leftoids are told what to believe - what I call their Narrative.

Any fact that violates that Narrative is ignored or evaded.

That's why you can't "discuss" anything with a Leftoid.


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Logic44 wrote to Dr. What <=-

Complete projection, I understand it much more than you.

I am at least a million times more intelligent than you. But you can never understand that.

Being trans isn't mental illness, and the illness known as gender dysphoria

You just contricted yourself.

is treated via gender affirming care.

There's no such thing.

Gender Dysphoria is a mental illness.


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Logic44 wrote to Dr. What <=-

No, I ignore them because they make zero sense, as none of the reasons listed are inherent to being trans.

And you have only proven our point about Leftoids.


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Dr. What wrote to Logic44 <=-

Safety, on the other hand.... Being mentally ill does make people do things that put other people's safety at risk.

If your premise that transgender people are mentally ill is flawed,
your argument fails.



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Dr. What wrote to Logic44 <=-

Then you haven't looked. Most states have laws that curtail your
rights if you are on certain medications - legally or not.

Federal laws prohibit unlawfully using controlled substances, not
prescribed medications.

29 states have laws with restrictions based on involuntary commitment to
a mental institution, those determined to be a danger to themselves or
others, or found to be addicted to illegal drugs. Sorry, no mention of transgender as a basis for limiting access to firearms.

As I mentioned before, if your premise that transgender is a mental
illness, your argument fails.



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Dr. What wrote to paulie420 <=-

Because blanket condemning any group is silly.

Are you going to condemn all the Leftoids who call all white people
White Supremacists?

Uh, yes? Why would that be an issue?


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Dr. What wrote to Utopian Galt <=-

Not to the extent that they exist today.

You need to understand the concept of "per capita".



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Logic44 wrote to Dr. What <=-

Being trans isn't mental illness, and the illness known as gender dysphoria is treated via gender affirming care.

I find it ironic that the people trying to deny gender affirming care
are all on-board with giving military servicemen testosterone
replacement therapy.



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Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dr. What on Mon Jul 20 2026 07:56 am

Dr. What wrote to Logic44 <=-

Safety, on the other hand.... Being mentally ill does make people do things that put other people's safety at risk.

If your premise that transgender people are mentally ill is flawed,
your argument fails.

... Accuse the opposition of your crimes, remove the moral high ground.

Have you met a transgender person who is not mentally ill? No you have not.

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Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dr. What on Mon Jul 20 2026 07:56 am

Dr. What wrote to paulie420 <=-

Because blanket condemning any group is silly.

Are you going to condemn all the Leftoids who call all white people White Supremacists?

Uh, yes? Why would that be an issue?

Careful. You might be kicked out of the democrat circle for that.

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Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: Logic44 to Dr. What on Sat Jul 18 2026 07:03 pm

Name ONE way being trans affects your ability to safely and effectively operate a firearm.

I don't believe gender dysphoria should disqualify somebody for firearm ownership, but if I were a politician arguing for such a thing, the argument is very easy. Suicide rates among trans are noticeably higher (which in fact is a political point pro-trans politicians use all the time). Here in Spain you don't get issued a firearm permit if you are deemed to be in a noticeably high risk of suicide. So...


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Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: paulie420 to MRO on Sat Jul 18 2026 06:12 pm

How is it silly? Because it's not politically correct?

Because blanket condemning any group is silly. While I wouldn't choose trans anything for my life, there are wonderful trans people and mentally ill trans people - just like theres wonderful white folks and terrible, wonderful men and terrible, etc etc.

People can be wonderful and still be ill.

I find it telling that every disphoria is regarded as a pathological condition except gender disphoria. If you feel your arm does not belong to you that is considered pathological, but if you feel your penis does not belong to you that is healthy, normal and should be encouraged.

Breaking news: if your condition needs treatment then it is pathological. Anything that needs a solution is a problem: if you need to take action (such as removing your penis) in order to feel fine then it signals you have a problem that needs a solution. So it is a pathological situation whether you think disphoria is "bad" or "normal".

That said, being ill does not mean you get disqualified the same way you don't get disqualified for other pathologies. We let dissabled people drive cars after all.


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Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: poindexter FORTRAN to paulie420 on Sun Jul 19 2026 08:17 am

It's not hard to imagine reactionary groups trying to use non-traditional
gender choice and sexual preference to define mental illness in an
attempt to limit people's rights. First firearms, then what?

The notion that everything that happens in the political playground is a movement against gays and trans is false, paranoid and tiresome.

I remember when they started considering KYC laws, identity checks for accessing porn and the like... usual suspects were claiming, from minute zero, it was a great conspiracy to kill all the gays and trans.

When you think everything is about yourself, that shows narcissistic tendencies.


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Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dr. What on Mon Jul 20 2026 07:56 am

transgender as a basis for limiting access to firearms.

As I mentioned before, if your premise that transgender is a mental
illness, your argument fails.

Only if you can back the notion that disphoria is not an illness (against the arguments provided in this thread).


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Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Dr. What on Mon Jul 20 2026 07:56 am

If your premise that transgender people are mentally ill is flawed,
your argument fails.

What's flawed?

XX=female
XY=male

It's called science. The rest is mental bullshit!

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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dr. What <=-

If your premise that transgender people are mentally ill is flawed,
your argument fails.

It's not a premise. It's a fact.

If someone thinks they are Napoleon, they are mentally ill.
If a man thinks he's a woman, he is mentally ill.


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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dr. What <=-

Not to the extent that they exist today.

You need to understand the concept of "per capita".

I'll throw that back on you. You obviously don't understand the concept of "per capita".


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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Logic44 <=-

I find it ironic that the people trying to deny gender affirming care
are all on-board with giving military servicemen testosterone
replacement therapy.

There's a large difference between treating a man with testosterone and trying to turn a woman into a man by injecting her with testosterone.

But facts and Leftoids don't mix.


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Arelor wrote to paulie420 <=-

That said, being ill does not mean you get disqualified the same way
you don't get disqualified for other pathologies. We let dissabled
people drive cars after all.

But not if they are not mentally or physically able to drive.

We take away the driver's licenses of the elderly when they are no longer mentally able to control a car.

Here in the U.S., you normally only have to reapply for your driver's license once every 5-10 years (varies by state), but after a certain age, most states make you reapply EVERY year so that you can be evaluated as to whether or not you are actually able to drive.

Circiling back to the original discussion....

Being mentally ill is usually a disqualification for gun ownership for many reasons.


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Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

When you think everything is about yourself, that shows narcissistic tendencies.

Well, he IS a Leftoid. :)


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Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: Dr. What to Arelor on Tue Jul 21 2026 07:24 am

Here in the U.S., you normally only have to reapply for your driver's license once every 5-10 years (varies by state), but after a certain age, most states make you reapply EVERY year so that you can be evaluated as to whether or not you are actually able to drive.

What does reapplying for a driver's license entail (in some states)? I live in Oregon, and I've had a driver's license since 2001 - Since first getting my driver's license, I've renewed it a few times which has only involved filling out an application and getting a new photo; I haven't had to take any tests again or anything.

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Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

It's not hard to imagine reactionary groups trying to use non-traditional
gender choice and sexual preference to define mental illness in an
attempt to limit people's rights. First firearms, then what?

The notion that everything that happens in the political playground is
a movement against gays and trans is false, paranoid and tiresome.

Straw Man argument. No one claims that everything that happens in
politics is anti-gay/trans, but when you have a document like Projecrt
2025 which our administration is following to the letter (and had the
author in the administration) it's pretty safe to say that LGBTQ+
rights are in jeopardy.



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Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Only if you can back the notion that disphoria is not an illness
(against the arguments provided in this thread).

Not according to DSM-5.



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Bf2k+ wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

If your premise that transgender people are mentally ill is flawed,
your argument fails.

What's flawed?

XX=female
XY=male

It's called science. The rest is mental bullshit!

DSM-5 doesn't call transgender a mental illness. If you want to, go
ahead.



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Dr. What wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Dr. What <=-

Not to the extent that they exist today.

You need to understand the concept of "per capita".

I'll throw that back on you. You obviously don't understand the
concept of "per capita".

NO YOU ARE!



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Dr. What wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

But facts and Leftoids don't mix.

Yawn.



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Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: Nightfox to Dr. What on Tue Jul 21 2026 06:31 am

By: Dr. What to Arelor on Tue Jul 21 2026 07:24 am

Here in the U.S., you normally only have to reapply for your driver's license once every 5-10 years (varies by state), but after a certain age, most states make you reapply EVERY year so that you can be evaluated as to whether or not you are actually able to drive.

What does reapplying for a driver's license entail (in some states)? I live in Oregon, and I've had a driver's license since 2001 - Since first getting my driver's license, I've renewed it a few times which has only involved filling out an application and getting a new photo; I haven't had to take any tests again or anything.

Here in Spain you need to take a medical conditioning test every so often. They check the state of your sight, hearing and such. Then they renew you anyway because they are after your renewal money and they don't care if you are blind like a mole.


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Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Tue Jul 21 2026 07:45 am

Straw Man argument. No one claims that everything that happens in
politics is anti-gay/trans, but when you have a document like Projecrt
2025 which our administration is following to the letter (and had the
author in the administration) it's pretty safe to say that LGBTQ+
rights are in jeopardy.

It is not a strawman argument at all. A significant number of people I deal with seem to think every little thing the government does is specifically designed to target them. Which is bonkers.
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Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Tue Jul 21 2026 07:45 am

(against the arguments provided in this thread).

Not according to DSM-5.

If I think I am the best sysadmin in the world, provide arguments as to why I am, then I gather a bunch of people who believes they are the best professionals in their fields, and lobby enough people together, I am capable of removing Narcissism from the list of mental illnesses.


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Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: Dr. What to Logic44 on Mon Jul 20 2026 06:56:00

You just contricted yourself.

Dysphoria can be experienced by cis people, and is NOT inherent to being trans.

There's no such thing.

MASSIVE cope lmao

Gender Dysphoria is a mental illness.

Correct, but you don't understand the data that says the cure is GAC.

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Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: Dr. What to Logic44 on Mon Jul 20 2026 06:56:00

And you have only proven our point about Leftoids.

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Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Jul 20 2026 16:03:21

Have you met a transgender person who is not mentally ill? No you have not.

I have, actually.
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Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: Arelor to Logic44 on Mon Jul 20 2026 16:03:15

is very easy. Suicide rates among trans are noticeably higher (which in fact is a political point pro-trans politicians use all the time). Here in Spain you don't get issued a firearm permit if you are deemed to be in a noticeably high risk of suicide. So...

Yeah, we use it because the data shows that merely using the correct name and pronouns cuts the rate damn near in half.
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Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: Dr. What to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Jul 21 2026 07:16 am

poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Logic44 <=-

I find it ironic that the people trying to deny gender affirming care
are all on-board with giving military servicemen testosterone
replacement therapy.

There's a large difference between treating a man with testosterone and trying to turn a woman into a man by injecting her with testosterone.

But facts and Leftoids don't mix.

... You can close your eyes to reality but not to memories.

just when i think poindexter is a complete moron he tops himself a thousand Fold. It's hard to believe he's a person and not a bot.

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Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Tue Jul 21 2026 07:45 am

Straw Man argument. No one claims that everything that happens in
politics is anti-gay/trans, but when you have a document like Projecrt

I bet you can find thousands of people on reddit who belive that.

but when you have a document like Projecrt
2025 which our administration is following to the letter (and had the
author in the administration) it's pretty safe to say that LGBTQ+
rights are in jeopardy.

It seems like something that will improve america. We need this.
lgbtqabcdefg rights are not in danger. they get human rights like everyone Else.

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Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Arelor on Tue Jul 21 2026 07:45 am

Arelor wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

Only if you can back the notion that disphoria is not an illness (against the arguments provided in this thread).

Not according to DSM-5.

so you have no problem with a grown man wearing a wig going into a public Change room and showing your daughter his penis? Would you defend his rights?



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Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Bf2k+ on Tue Jul 21 2026 07:45 am

If your premise that transgender people are mentally ill is flawed,
your argument fails.

What's flawed?

XX=female
XY=male

It's called science. The rest is mental bullshit!

DSM-5 doesn't call transgender a mental illness. If you want to, go
ahead.

If it told the truth it wouldn't get published because of people like you.

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Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Jul 21 2026 16:28:39

If it told the truth it wouldn't get published because of people like you.

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Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: Arelor to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Jul 21 2026 11:50:49

It is not a strawman argument at all. A significant number of people I deal with seem to think every little thing the government does is specifically designed to target them. Which is bonkers.

It's a little different when there's a document that the administration is following to the letter that says the exact thing we're accusing them of.
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Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Jul 21 2026 16:27:07

so you have no problem with a grown man wearing a wig going into a public Change room and showing your daughter his penis? Would you defend his rights?

Holy fucking red herring lol

You realize that being mad at predators pretending to be trans is you being mad at CIS MEN, right?
This isn't the own you think it is...
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Re: Re: Trans 2a
By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Jul 21 2026 16:24:51

It seems like something that will improve america. We need this. lgbtqabcdefg rights are not in danger. they get human rights like everyone Else.

Incorrect.

Medical care has been taken, the right to use the correct bathroom, and as I said earlier, this administration DID try to take away our 2nd amendment right.

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